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BETA 57a vs. Sennheiser e845 vs EV N/D 967
So, I'm in the market for a supercardiod handheld mic and am torn
I can get the E/V N/D967 for $125 ($199 everywhere else) but I've never used an EV mic but I do love their Sxa powered speakers.
I can get the Sennheiser e845 for $116 ($140 everywhere) but I'm not terribly familiar with this mic but would feel comfortable with it given sennheisers reputation in microphones
and then the BETA 57a I can try to find used but only found it for $140. I would also consider a BETA58 but I have a million SM58s.
I would be using it for contemporary worship music at my youth group and college ministry where we have small stages and I'm trying to keep the drums out of the vocal mics. I would use it on mainly male vocals and the main worship leader has a pretty throaty voice and likes to be on top of the mic (im constantly cutting low mids to keep clarity)
Any advice or experience with any of these mics? The EV seems to be the best deal but I've never used it. Thanks
I can get the E/V N/D967 for $125 ($199 everywhere else) but I've never used an EV mic but I do love their Sxa powered speakers.
I can get the Sennheiser e845 for $116 ($140 everywhere) but I'm not terribly familiar with this mic but would feel comfortable with it given sennheisers reputation in microphones
and then the BETA 57a I can try to find used but only found it for $140. I would also consider a BETA58 but I have a million SM58s.
I would be using it for contemporary worship music at my youth group and college ministry where we have small stages and I'm trying to keep the drums out of the vocal mics. I would use it on mainly male vocals and the main worship leader has a pretty throaty voice and likes to be on top of the mic (im constantly cutting low mids to keep clarity)
Any advice or experience with any of these mics? The EV seems to be the best deal but I've never used it. Thanks
Tags: 57a, 967, BETA, EV, N/D, Sennheiser, dynamic, e845, handheld, supercardiod
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Permalink Reply by Chris on -
If i had to choose between the three i'd go with the Seinheiser...however...Supercardioid won't really solve your problem with the drums....it just changes the off-axis rejection....i'm assuming your drums are located behind the singer. Supercardioid can also present problems with monitor wedges too as the pattern is actually larger than a cardioid behind the mic.
I can't comment on the EV 967 vocal, but I have used their tom mics numerous times and they sound fine.
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Permalink Reply by Chris Reagan on -
well im gonna be moving the drums off to the side a bit so that its not directly behind our singer anymore and we are on IEMs so I won't have any problems there. Thanks for the response!
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Permalink Reply by Mike Skinner on -
I would go with the B57. I am and have been madly in love with this mic on top snare for a long time now. Its practical for almost any kind of snare sound your looking for, I dont even use a bottom snare when I use this. Not to mention its a killer vocal and guitar amp mic with great rejection.
Cordially
Mike
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Permalink Reply by Kevin S. Montgomery on -
Chirs, we use the 967 in our church services for two years with no problems. I use the 967 mainly on Male vocals and the 57a on female vocals. I was looking at the Beyer 69 when I found the 967 and love them. I try to keep vocals on the same type of mic when possible. It's always nice to have different mic in your bag for applications.
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Permalink Reply by Cartman on -
IMO 967 is a mic that can really keep you out of feedbacks, but sounds unnaturally in mids compare to shure or senn.
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Permalink Reply by Scott T on -
Here's the rub, The Beta 57 is a little darker than a 58 but a Beta 58 is (or at least I think it is) a little brighter so if cymbal bleed is what is what's getting to you it won't really solve that problem. I don't have much exprience with the E845 and 967 mics you mentioned so I can't help you there, but if you can borrow them and use each mic then it's pretty easy to pick the one you like best. But as far as drum bleed a mic with a different polar pattern won't always solve your problem.... a drum shield might be the best solution.
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Johnson on -
Get the new Heil mic's PR35 for vocal, PR40 on Kick, Handi mic on snare!
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Permalink Reply by Chris on
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In the past i've been able to go to smaller privately owned companies to rent, buy or purchase gear and if it's something like a mic, the owner would let me borrow the mic for a couple days to try it out. If this is a possibility then that's the way to go. If not then from what yuo tell me i'd still go with the sennheiser. With a dynamic mic the kit isn't really much of a concern as far as being picked up by the vocal. Either it is or it isnt. The only time I can really tell is if the singer moves away from the mic and then the snare and symbols will definately come through some. With a condenser you'll notice it's much more noticable, but like you said you'll be moving the kit to the side so it's not as big of a concern and if you're on IEM's then you don't have to worry about feedback from the monitor end. I'd suggest looking at condensers but if it's not in your budget then don't worry about it. The industry has come so far that as long as you pick a mic that is widely accepted then you're sure to be pleased. Take a look at some "riders" and see what mics theyre requesting. That'll give you an idea. Everybody has an opinion on what mic is the best but in your situation you're the only one who knows your environment, your PA, etc....
Also, a lot of larger stores will gladly take back your mic provided you didnt use it as a hammer. Go get one, try it out and see what you think. And I wouldn't get stuck on the whole supercardioid thing too much unless you think it's an absolute necessity. Hope your search yeilds a winner!!
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Permalink Reply by Jack Kontney on -
Since your singer is on ears and thus has no wedge, there's no particular advantage to using a supercardioid.
I agree with Scott and Chris that you should check out some local suppliers and see if you can arrange to borrow/rent the mics for a real-world demo, maybe at a weekly rehearsal.
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Permalink Reply by Chris Reagan on
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thanks for the AWESOME replys! This has really set the bar for this forum as one full of great advice and usable content! I've actually got in touch with a friend who has a pretty extensive mic collection and he's gonna let me borrow some different mics, supercardioid and cardioid with some different freq. responses! Thanks for all the advice and im DEFINITELY taking into consideration what you guys have said! Thanks again!
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Permalink Reply by Mike Fiumara on
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Try a Senn 935 instyead of the 845. The 845 always seemed heavy in the 200 - 400 range, which you say you usually cut, and also in the highs, which won't help with cymbals. Although a it's a cardiod, I've been using the 935's on and off for a few months now and they seem to have a pretty good rejection of stage noise, and they sound really smooth.
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